Remote Work and Our Sense of Belonging

0:07 All right welcome everybody you're at Visionality's Building Forward my name
0:12 is Emily Barany and our guest star today is my friend Tina Knight and she's at
0:19 Oxnard College and you know the jam here we cover a really big meaty Topic in 25
0:25 minutes or less so we're gonna set our timers for 25 minutes and ... today Tina is gonna be talking
0:33 with us about how remote work influences our sense of belonging so Tina talk to
0:39 me a little bit about why this topic is really important to you and how we sort
0:44 of created it yeah sure good morning everyone ... so I'm Tina Knight director of
0:51 advancement at Oxnard College and ... you know I want to start for for us
0:56 there the remote implications of the pandemic have impacted both our students
1:05 and our staff and faculty so there's remote work and there's remote learning
1:12 ... and being a very student-centered campus I want to start with the impact of the pandemic on students and then
1:19 I'll talk a little bit about remote work but ... I want to talk about remote learning and a lot of the experiences of
1:27 our students we are the experiences of working professionals as well so I'm
1:33 going to share my screen and just share a couple quick facts
1:39 ... that might be helpful to set this day
1:45 ... so and hopefully everyone can see this I can make it a little bigger but
1:51 here's just some basic facts this is from the ... at real college survey from
1:56 2021 and they were looking at ... mostly that survey and and I will add that to
2:03 the ... the Articles I'm not sure if it was in there originally
2:08 ... but it focuses more on like basic needs of college students but this
2:13 particular 2021 real college survey did have a lot of information about the pandemic impact
2:19 on college students and particularly community college students ... so as you can see we have three and
2:27 five ... college students that experienced basic needs and security during the
2:32 pandemic 39 of our community college students are impacted by food insecurity
2:42 ... 48 are impacted by housing and security and about 14 of community
2:48 college students throughout California are in fact homeless and we see that
2:53 here at Oxnard College we have some students who live in their cars we do
3:00 our best to get them you know housing at least a hotel motel vouchers or other
3:06 housing for like critical periods of time like finals week and
3:13 Midterm time ... the the as we see all over Equity
3:19 gaps are increasing that is true in the student experience during the pandemic
3:24 as well where black and African-American students had a 16 percent higher
3:32 percentage points in basic needs insecurities we have about 13 who lost a loved one to
3:39 covid ... and about 35 percent who exhibited ... at least moderate anxiety
3:46 ... and we've got ... that they're the one thing the government did great during this pandemic was
3:53 ... automatically award additional funding to college campuses to provide
3:59 emergency grants for students ... during the pandemic so that's just some of that
4:04 information there and then some of the mental health challenges and that's
4:10 really where ... we're focused here on overcoming those issues are um
4:17 things like let me increase this ... so this is just the percentage of
4:24 students we have about 46 percent who experience social isolation loneliness
4:29 students were experiencing increased anxiety ... lack of focus a loss of ... you know
4:38 ability to concentrate ... struggling with laziness I know I've had that problem during coven
4:45 ... I really learned how to be lazy ... loss of sleep decrease in physical activity unhealthy eating habits so you
4:53 can see just all kinds of of issues a significant increase in rates of
4:59 depression ... self-doubt and then students also had these you
5:06 know issues that that make attending school more challenging especially in a
5:12 remote online environment ... when they are experiencing things outside of school so that was things
5:19 like increased screen time ... difficulty Making Friends Meeting
5:24 peers developing romantic relationships more tension with the family what
5:30 everyone is stuck at home together students did find some ways to provide
5:38 self-care for themselves spending more time on Hobbies trying to get some
5:44 physical activity in trying to spend time Outdoors pets that's my go-to for
5:50 stress relief is is a a little furry time and then the big challenges that
5:58 students had following the pandemic once they have returned to campus and we are
6:05 about I'd say half and half now ... ... virtual versus in person and some
6:12 students want all in person somewhat all virtual we're finding a lot of students looking for hybrid courses that are
6:18 offer a little bit more flexibility ... so things that have been challenging are and particularly in the hybrid
6:25 environment is meeting people right that's what college is about it's that's where you meet lifelong friends and
6:32 develop relationships often meet your you know first significant romantic partner maybe giving your future spouse
6:40 ... and so those kinds of things like inability to connect with peers
6:45 ... inability to to to meet folks on campus as well as just the concentration
6:50 things right difficulty completing the homework getting to class on time maintaining their GPA
6:58 ... and like I said here like what what students were looking most forward to
7:03 was things like meeting meeting Folks at 10 in classes in person spending time on
7:09 campus and in the quad so when those things weren't happening I think that's really what led to some of those more
7:15 significant mental health challenges for for our students ... and then on the the work side so we
7:24 were fully remote ... and and I came during about in the midst of the pandemic so
7:30 ... I came in December 2021 we did not come back to fully in person
7:38 in the office until January of this year ... and that has come with its its
7:43 challenges as well right so ... I think we're experiencing the same things a lot of our non-profit partners
7:50 are experiencing in that there's no one work style that fits everyone
7:56 ... you know some people like to I loved being in the office I like connecting with peers in the hallway you know in
8:03 the break room having those conver conversations but it's just harder to
8:09 have when you are and you have to spend time and do it intentionally when you're
8:14 working remotely but we also have folks For Whom the remote work works well right they they have children they are
8:21 have ... older adults living in their home there's concerns about
8:27 ... covids still there's also just the you know commute a lot of folks are commuting long distances so it really
8:34 creates you know some quality of life for some folks we are in a unionized environment which
8:40 makes it challenging for you to to allow ... allow what works for each individual we
8:48 really have to have a little bit more of a structured policy on in office time
8:54 versus out of office time and I know that I not a lot of our non-profit
9:00 Partners struggle with the ... that issue of being a unionized
9:05 environment but it is something to that the campus needs to take into consideration well and that's such an
9:12 interesting aspect right because my you know the unions exist to create equity
9:19 and equality but what you're experiencing is actually perhaps like a reduction of that because
9:27 things need to be the same things need to be equal right right right yeah we're doing the
9:35 equality not Equity right exactly person what they need ... and yeah and that has been
9:41 challenging we are piloting ... some remote work for positions that
9:47 aren't student facing right ... you know and and that we we also there is also
9:53 the thing that that campuses like like ours where you are
9:58 ... have to create such a uniform structured approach is are we going to
10:03 be able to recruit you know the best folks going forward because we know workers are looking for flexibility
10:09 they're looking ... for work ... their work style to work
10:15 for their lives ... and and not just ... and since there's
10:20 there are still campuses that will allow folks to work ... remotely ... not in necessarily the
10:28 community college system but in in other higher ed environments and so so it will
10:34 be an issue competitiveness for us hiring going forward I think as well yeah it's just
10:40 ... I'm I'm so curious you know through through the whole pandemic you know as a
10:46 as a person who has been living with depression and anxiety for decades you
10:52 know I already had I have my tools right I know that I need sunshine I know that
10:58 I need exercise especially when I don't want to do it I know that I need a puppy right I know that
11:05 ... when I'm depressed I'm not gonna reach out to my friends so I have to have things pre-scheduled or else I'll
11:12 just sit in my house so I'm I'm curious um
11:18 at you know as an adult working with younger folks going through this I'm
11:25 like what about you know these kids might likely didn't have the same
11:30 established toolkit they haven't been in therapy for 12 years right so how I'm
11:36 curious how how that was being an adult who has some tools and working with
11:42 individuals who have ... less access to to that kind of experience yeah I definitely think that that has
11:49 been a challenge so one of the things we did was ... we signif we used the ... the federal
11:56 her funding which was the covet funding that came to educational institutions
12:01 ... to add Mental Health Counselors to our counseling staff we provided that
12:06 counseling either in person or online we added bilingual mental health counseling
12:12 staff we did a lot of messaging to students about
12:18 ... you know healthy ways to navigate the pandemic the challenge I think for us
12:24 has been in an institution that serves a fairly low income
12:31 and largely a Latino latinx population
12:37 ... there has been students that have reported a stigma around thinking Mental Health Services
12:43 ... and so that's you know a lot of the kind of messaging on things like Facebook and our social media Pages have
12:51 been to address those students who aren't you know willing to engage in
12:56 mental health services but we've also done a lot of work around trying to destigmatize
13:03 ... seeking Mental Health Services getting those tools ... I do think yes it has been a real
13:09 challenge for students I think ... college students probably a little
13:15 less so than say high school students I think high school students and junior high students really struggled during
13:22 the pandemic because they have even less tools right students to just ... have to
13:29 have a certain amount of resilience and grit and determination just to get here
13:35 to Oxnard College from the population we are serving but the folks who don't make it
13:41 ... and the younger population I think that's an area that has been really really challenging and I think
13:48 ... you know having struggled with depression you you might understand the way that that kind of impacts your
13:54 self-esteem too and goodness yeah and the ability to you know it really takes
14:00 a lot of Courage ... when you come from the background that a lot of our students do to to show up on campus and
14:07 and be you know working two jobs and going to school and helping care for the family so it takes a lot it takes a lot
14:15 of energy that Gets Zapped when you are experiencing that anxiety and depression
14:20 yeah well and I see we've got some very talented Educators on with us so I want
14:26 to encourage everyone to weigh in on the chat right you know Tina and I are having a conversation but we together
14:33 collectively have all the answers so if something is resonating with you or if
14:39 you have an experience that maybe you want to share either in the chat or raise your hand and you can come on
14:44 camera and let's have a conversation about it ... Tina I'm curious what do you think
14:50 we'll see ... as employers with new employees coming into the workforce who were who
14:57 went through college during this experience like what do you what what should we expect what accommodation
15:03 should we be prepared to offer like what are you seeing on that front yeah I mean a couple things so
15:10 flexibility ... I think is key right ... we are learning that in our coursework so we
15:16 are going through a process where ... we are trying to create district-wide
15:22 ... schedules that are a little bit more flexible and maybe hybrid where there's
15:28 more evening and weekend or shorter semesters especially because we're catering to working students for the
15:34 most part ... the things I think ... in terms of not so much
15:40 accommodations but the challenges you might face I mean um
15:45 we have a lot of students come to school in their pajamas I mean that has always happened in California I did it
15:51 ... but for workplaces that ... expect a like
15:56 higher level of professional dress and style that should be something that is discussed up front those expectations I
16:04 really think just I for one love the fact that we've you know casualed up
16:09 things a little bit but that's not true everywhere ... I also feel like students have had we
16:18 ... and this may not be true of every institution I feel like students
16:23 are in one of two buckets either they've had a strong wraparound Support Services in
16:30 which they've been given a lot of ... services and instruction and Direction
16:36 and may have a harder time adjusting to a workplace where they're expected to
16:42 work very independently and make those decisions themselves or they've kind of
16:48 just gone off the radar and have it engaged in those structured services and
16:53 those folks ... are going to need some direction as well right so ... but we'll also expect some
17:01 some flexibility ... so so I think those are the challenges that that we'll see in the
17:06 workplace but for sure what we are seeing is ... folks want flexibility
17:12 ... you know the wage information the wage difference is real that salaries have to
17:19 come up especially in the nonprofit sector to be competitive yeah that that's going to be a challenge for the
17:25 nonprofit sector ... you know but what the nonprofit sector does offer is some of those other
17:30 things that they might not get elsewhere like a little bit more flexibility ... a little bit more casual work
17:36 environment ... a little bit more ability to you know try different things and not be
17:43 pigeonholed into a specific role so so I think there's pros and cons both ways yeah and and I my sense of the the
17:52 generation that is in college right now graduating college is there's this big
17:58 underlying question of like why are we even doing this like okay you say I can't come to work or come to school in
18:05 my pajamas but like I sit in an office and I interact with nobody so tell me
18:10 why I can't come to my come to work in something that's comfortable then maybe I'll work faster when I'm comfortable so
18:17 is that is that sentiment resonating with you ... with the kiddos that you interact
18:23 with yeah definitely definitely ... and I think it it is
18:29 I mean that'll be interesting right to see how the world of work changes and and I think it's changed I mean in my
18:37 ... career like I've worked at places in the past where you couldn't have visible
18:42 tattoos right so so there are things that that just the the whole culture is
18:48 changing and the work world is gonna have to get with those changes ... so I think that's kind of where we
18:55 are yeah the other thing that I heard was we
19:00 just need to be really clear about the expectations right and and and
19:05 the other thing that I want to talk about is that Equity versus equality in
19:10 this sense that we each need different tools to show up as our true and best
19:16 self and so that that to me is going to be the is the big shift that we're
19:21 experiencing now is just accepting that we are not all robots we do not all fit in the same box and that's actually a
19:30 beautiful thing it's actually a good thing and we will in fact get the best
19:35 outcomes out of people if we allow them to be different 100 100 yeah diversity of opinion
19:44 diversity of work style all of that leads to better planning well and I'm
19:50 gonna tell you it's expensive and it's hard right to to accommodate to to give
19:57 to do your best to strive for ... Equity not equality because you can't
20:04 just this is the way it is you know you need to make adjustments over time for people's changing needs what do you what
20:12 are you seeing at the college going forward ... to to build equity into the the
20:19 offerings to the students to this the students I think we're doing a really good job right
20:25 the move to maybe shorter semesters or you know having a regular semester but also
20:32 having offerings that are eight weeks instead of 16 weeks or ten weeks ... and offering more what we have done
20:39 in the last year that is actually creating that equity and ability for
20:45 folks who haven't had the ability to go to college before is what is called our PACE program which is program for
20:51 Accelerated college education so we take courses and we started with just a few
20:57 Majors right like psychology and business the big Majors ... and we are offering them on evenings
21:03 and weekends in the community instead of on campus so they are at the as well as
21:09 ... we have some non-credit ESL classes right to get ... folks prepared in English to move on
21:17 to that PACE program to do classes in English ... and all of those we are offering like
21:22 at the local middle schools at the high schools so places in their Community close by we are far down rows so it can
21:31 be a challenge to get here ... and so those kinds of offerings that
21:36 are more flexible that cater to say working adults and then that also you
21:42 know working youth right we have a lot most of our students are working one to two jobs so all of those kinds of
21:48 programs are going to impact them just as as much as the re-entry students
21:55 ... so I think and as well as making sure that the larger courses have offerings
22:00 in person on zoom and hybrid if there's enough of an enrollment so that students
22:06 really can pick the option that works best for them because what we're learning is there's no one thing that
22:11 works best and what is the reaction ... on the faculty side
22:19 ... needing to make that how the heck do you
22:25 teach three different ways I'm just gonna say it like what's the reason
22:30 that kind of evolution yeah it's challenging I would say everyone's least favorite is the hybrid where you have in
22:39 the same class folks online and in the classroom it's just really hard to
22:44 attend to both audiences ... you know someone is either the folks
22:50 online are going to feel a little left out or the books in the room are going to feel little left out so I would say that's everyone's least favorite
22:57 ... and then you know virtual it's there's there's a mix right and and
23:04 it's a balance right virtual might work for some faculty better for their schedules it might not be their favorite
23:11 modality it's definitely harder to connect you know I will say you know I I
23:17 teach classes for the center for non-profit leadership I taught one during the pandemic remote and did not
23:24 love it I taught the same class just recently the first class back in person and it was so much more fun for me as an
23:31 instructor you get the energy from the students which is why you're there for energy and connection and to really
23:38 build those ... relationships and I think it was better for the students as well but there's also drawbacks of like we're
23:45 all busy working adults and so sometimes hybrid sometimes I won't go to in-person things because I can't get off campus to
23:52 do it right whereas if it's hybrid I might be able to participate might not be my favorite modality but it works
23:59 better with the schedule it's better for better better than nothing yes for sure so so if you had a magic wand how do we
24:08 fix the how do we make hybrid better and I know that I'm really experiencing that
24:13 in my company because we are a remote company and we have employees who live
24:20 in other states and so even if I was like yeah invest the time to drive down you know that's just not possible
24:26 ... but also with our clients where you know they're struggling do we move our
24:32 board meetings back in person do we keep them virtual do we do hybrids so y'all have so much experience with with what
24:39 works and what doesn't work on hybrids so if you had a magic wand like what would the software be what would the
24:45 solutions be oh gosh
24:50 I think a solution would be and I don't know how this would get done but
24:56 so I mean you could teach that way but have some period within the class where
25:04 there is interaction amongst the people online and the people in the class so
25:10 right The Faculty is interacting with both but the students themselves are not
25:16 interacting with both so a way ... so you know what I would do is I guess figure out a way that there's some
25:23 sort of group activity and this would require more technology right laptops at workstations so the people in the class
25:30 could be see the faces instead of just the faculty members
25:35 ... where there's more collaboration or where that class meets in person you
25:41 know a certain number of times per semester to build that Community right
25:47 especially in Community College ... and college we are learning that sense of community and sense of
25:53 belonging somewhere is one of the keys to retention right that's what keeps students here so
25:59 ... to me the most important fix and if I if I had the genius to design it
26:06 I would you know I would be rich ... but ... I think it I think it's some way to
26:13 to help build that Community amongst all the Learners when they're hybrid yeah I
26:19 I well and and we've implemented that style of of hybrid
26:27 ... communication with some of our conferences and it is
26:34 so expensive a and so complicated to be
26:40 the administer of that platform like it it is prohibitive and
26:47 so it's you know both from like a technical expertise like
26:52 you need to hire someone like us to implement that to manage the hybrid platform to manage the experience of the
27:00 in-person and the virtual and bring them together and that is prohibitive and so
27:06 it really is this investment if if we're gonna keep doing
27:12 it that we're going to need to make so that a hybrid experience is Equitable for everybody
27:19 yeah yeah can you hear me Emily did I freeze
27:25 ... you did freeze there you are maybe back again okay I would like to totally freezer did I freeze
27:32 you know challenge number one yes well in in light ... just just in
27:40 light of not having that solution right now I will say one of the the I think it's the very last article that will be
27:46 sent out by Delaney after this has some fun ways to engage folks that are
27:53 working remotely like things like you know like a bingo sheet of like do you remember does so-and-so have a beard or
28:00 to you know there's just different ways to make it a little bit more fun ... and you know I think we're we're
28:07 having to live with how can we make how can we make it a little more bearable because we don't have the the perfect
28:13 solution then it sounds so dumb but I did you know I think we did two
28:20 virtual holiday parties and I did bingo cards and it was really fun and so it
28:27 was like you know just the things that we knew were gonna happen like one of llewellyn's kids shows up and right now
28:36 Nico's dog barks and you know Delaney's Cat shows up and it was actually like
28:42 really stupidly fun ... yeah well this is wild but we have done
28:50 it we have used up our 25 minutes so I want to open it up to the group
28:57 ... any questions that we have for Tina or for one another or again shared
29:04 experiences ... success stories challenges that we can maybe workshop together and I see a
29:10 couple things in the chat so Jeanette said in my family both of my kids were in
29:15 college during the pandemic and courses went online interestingly they both selected one online advanced degree
29:22 program so that's interesting so like it must have just worked for them that that virtual environment
29:29 I think that they got used to it during the pandemic they got used to learning
29:34 online and then it just made sense for them because they can continue to work and do other things they both work
29:41 part-time and go to school full-time and ... so it just made sense and so I think
29:48 this generation that's in school now that they're just becoming more accustomed to working virtually in fact
29:55 one of them Works virtually now for her job so I think we my prediction is we're
30:03 going to see more of this in the future yeah I love it I love it thank you yeah and
30:10 it really and and what I think is a game changer for the students is the online
30:15 asynchronous classes which is you're not all in the class at the same time you're
30:20 just sort of you know giving work you're on a platform you do it at your own pace I have a nephew who
30:27 ... you know Works two jobs has a young a two-year-old
30:33 ... and is trying to figure out how can I go to college and still support my
30:39 family and spend time with my family while my family's awake and so I was like you need a program that is
30:45 completely online asynchronous because you know you might not get the the social benefits of going to college but
30:53 you're in it so that you can get you know get a better job and support your
30:58 family family the way you want to and that would allow you you could do your work you know at midnight if you wanted
31:05 to ... so I think that sort of hyper flexibility in terms of academics it'll
31:11 be interesting to see if that ever makes its way into the work world I think to some degree but there's always going to
31:16 be times where people have to meet so there will have to be some sort of regular office hours for a lot of
31:22 positions but not all yeah I think we're we're doing a pretty good job of trying
31:31 to do sort of an asynchronous work style ... you know Jeanette was just on and
31:37 she's a night owl and so she we will get emails from Jeanette
31:43 at times when most of us are asleep and and I think Llewellyn is probably our
31:49 biggest success story of that asynchronous ... because she was Raising little little
31:54 kids and so yeah her her entire slate of
32:00 work was done outside of traditional hours and I think
32:05 some things have to be done during the daytime okay right that's just if you have a meeting at nine you gotta be on
32:11 at nine but I think we're learning at least what I've seen is there's a real
32:17 benefit to having that asynchronous because you're giving people the power to work when they are most powerful so
32:25 like it's actually in my best interest to let Jeanette work late at night uh
32:31 even though I think she's crazy yeah
32:36 yeah and ... so Llewellyn said ... in terms of students building confidence
32:41 and self-esteem now that the world has reopened I imagine that Oxnard College has been trying to make up for lost time
32:48 what has been working and what hasn't yeah so
32:55 what has worked for the students who show up so I would say one of the hardest things is getting students to
33:00 show up for things especially because we still have a lot of you know uh
33:06 classes that are online ... but we've held a lot more information
33:12 sessions we've talked a lot about mental health in in all of our different
33:18 student groups right so our Associated student government is she has worked to
33:24 do a campus-wide survey ... that all of the district has done but
33:30 really get the information out to our students ... the the challenge is really getting people there and I know I have struggled
33:37 with this right I think when everything's shut down I was like oh I was really busy right
33:45 and first I was really bored and then I was like this is nice like to rest when
33:50 you're tired ... and so like you know when we reopened I had promised myself like I'm not going
33:57 to go back to being as busy as I was right I can't attend everything because that depletes me
34:05 ... so getting students to show up for things has been a challenge but when they do show up so a we offer food that
34:10 always works for students ... the the best motivator ... and ... and really
34:18 ... I think one of the great things that has come out of the pandemic is
34:23 ... we have made at least baby steps in ... destigmatizing the need for if not
34:31 mental health counseling at least awareness of what you can do yourself
34:37 those things like get some exercise get some sunshine ... you know eat healthy when you can
34:43 build connection have people you care about reach out to them even if you can't see them in person
34:50 ... that that it has kind of put that in people's Forefront as a much more normal
34:56 thing and so I think that in the long run ... we're gonna have a lot more students
35:02 willing to take advantage of the services that are available I love it we have one more question in
35:10 the chat ... I have heard comments from older Generations asking is online education as good as in-person education
35:19 I mean well the content sure ... you know and but but I also think
35:26 different learning styles work ... for different people so
35:32 ... I for one have a hard time concentrating when I'm doing an online class I tend to
35:39 multitask but I'm a multitasker ... a problematic multitasker anyway
35:46 ... so I think it can really work for students in terms of the content what you are missing and it's really weird
35:52 because right before the pandemic the entire shift in education was group
35:58 activity right group Discussion Group you know getting people to think creatively as a group more prepare them
36:05 for like the workforce where you have to work as a member of a team and work together on things that can be done
36:12 remotely it's hard to do that in an asynchronous ... class but so I I would say for sure
36:19 the content ... and the education is the same whether you're going to retain the
36:27 information and get what you would get out of a live class
36:33 ... I think depends on the individual I agree with you and there are like not
36:40 only the different learning styles so I'm a kinesthetic learner and so what that could mean is like I like I would
36:49 crochet if I because like when I'm moving my body I'm learning things but
36:54 that's not always allowed in places right like why are you're distracting you know you need to focus on the work
37:01 and it's like well actually this is helpful ... to me so there's there's that aspect
37:07 where in person or virtual would have benefits to different learning styles
37:13 but to like if I'm out in public and I'm anxious I'm
37:18 not learning anything and so it was so interesting to watch
37:25 ... the way ... different
37:30 ... just the way different people were allowed to show up in bigger ways
37:36 because it was a virtual environment because perhaps they have ... physical limitations or perhaps they have
37:43 ... some emotional challenges that make it uncomfortable to be face to face with
37:49 somebody ... so yeah it's just interesting yeah yeah it'll be it'll be
37:56 interesting to see over the next like five years how how this all evolves
38:02 yeah yeah we have another comment I took a class where they only allowed cameras on
38:08 for the first day and the last days so we could concentrate i thrived in it and we went in to separate rooms to work
38:15 together oh like a breakout room yeah so that's interesting yeah it's just I
38:21 don't know we're sort of on this new frontier of redefining what education looks like and
38:29 redefining what interaction looks like so yeah and the camera issue right is I
38:35 know faculty have you know mentioned that it's so hard to build rapport with their students when
38:42 they don't have their camera on but also I mean there's you know folks are some folks are in crowded housing they don't
38:49 necessarily want everyone to see the space that they're living on working in
38:54 ... you get a much more intimate view of people's lives when you know they're in
38:59 their home with their camera on ... so so yeah it is it is very it's and
39:05 again there's no one right answer right like you don't want to force students to have their camera on
39:11 ... when that can cause especially now with you know bullying that goes on and
39:17 and that kind of thing that ... and my husband is a computer tech for the school district and they've seen all
39:23 kinds of stuff ... in the background on on Zoom ... teaching sessions so so yeah you wanna I
39:31 think there's it's you just have to find other ways to build that Rapport so maybe that's the faculty the the student
39:39 going to the office hours with the faculty you know either in person or online with their camera on ... so that
39:45 they still can see each other's face get to know each other feel a little bit like they they know each other better
39:52 without ... having the camera on with you know 100 students in the room yeah
39:59 yeah all right last words or have we have we
40:04 done it we've solved it I wish I'm I'm gonna be thinking about that software and then I need to find
40:11 someone to create it but yes when we solve that ... problem we will be
40:16 millionaires and I will start a scholarship fund for every student here at Oxnard College yeah yeah love it
40:23 excellent well thank you so much for your time and energy and talent we're gonna be sending out
40:30 ... all of the ... articles and documents that we referenced and I just really appreciate you so much yeah likewise
40:38 thanks for having me and and hang in there everyone I think we've all learned
40:44 a lot through the pandemic lots of good of some bad ... and yeah I think we are building
40:51 forward as a new reality that's gonna gonna be interesting and hopefully
40:57 amazing yes thank you have a good one thanks everyone take care bye